Sahaj Marg family:-
From the report published in Indian Daily The Pioneer dated 02/12/2001. (view report)
This is a story that defies all grades of imagination, of right, of wrong of possibilities and situations. It is a story of woman who has grown up on incest with the full support of her family, who has serviced an 80 years old guru at the tender age of all, who has slept with her father and brother before the very eyes of her mother and sisters, Who has borne the children of her father and then passed them off as her husband's off springs. This is also the story of a woman who, at 35, has risen above the opiated existence of sex, sleaze and incest only to save her daughter from the same fate that she lived through. As the bizarre case awaits its second hearing after being reopened on a year's persistence by a hounded family, JITENDRA VERMA recounts the story which details life's unholy twists and turns. Back in the Pooja room, the family was ready for the ritual. Their guru's pooja hung proudly on the wall and the family was in full attendance Pragya's grand father, father, mother, brother and two sisters all without a stitch of clothing on their stark naked bodies. "Hey nath, tu hi ek maatra dhyey hain, hamari ekshahyen, hamari winti mein bandhak hain". The nude poojas, she recalls, were followed by group sex in which all family members had intercourse with each other. My grandfather had it with my mother and my brother was with my sisters and father and vice verse, she tells you rather stoically. For your benefit her husband adds that the expression lessness is the result of years of being doped by the family which, he explains, is part of the closed religious cult known as the sahajmargi. In short, sahajmargi is an atheist cult which does not believe in any kind of familial ties., "its only religion being open sex". There are no brothers, sisters, father or mother. All human beings are same. I was told again and again. She says. Brainwashed with this potent logic day in and they out, Pragya and scores of other girls, including her two sisters and five cousins were donated to the ashram. Pragya still remembers the day of initiation when she was taken to a separate room in the ashram by 30-yearold abhyasani (disciple) Brij Bala, Thakur. She gave me some white tablets to consume and smeared my private parts with some kind of paste, says Pragya, then, she was taken to guru Ramchander's room where she was disrobed and initiated into a system which proved to be her nemesis. The Guru sex with me and I was later told that I had been married to the great man. Says pragya...
View of an observer
In response to questions, here is the reasons that led me to become interested in the Shri Ram Chandra Mission ...
As a young student, I was part of a small group of friends, with them I was introduced to Sahaj Marg. Classical pathway is collective meditation sittings and with a tutor. I even met P. Rajagopalachari during a celebration. But obviously I did not felt the need for spiritual search that my friends and I was not investing as much as them. My contacts with the SRCM still quite distended, and then steam until I abandon the practice. All in all, my adventure lasted not more then two years. Spirituality is not my thing ...
Fifteen years later, a colleague from work during this episode of my life, contact me. He was alarmed, his wife begins to think about the SRCM. I hasten to reassure him: "This is not a cult, it is not dangerous, it's just the meditation, go see." But his family life was changing very fast. Although he tried to accompany his wife to meditation, She moves away from him, they are bedroom. Despite his efforts, the family atmosphere is deteriorating. Separation and divorce followed.
Surprised, I resume contact with my old buddies, the life had moved us away. And I discovered a grim picture: they were all divorced, except a couple who was married by Chari and a friend who left SRCM. I could not talk about anything else with them, they all have his name at the end of the lips. They follow him throughout his travels in Europe, they visit India regularly and I realize they do not take personal decision without first talking to Chari.
My certainties collapse. What is behind this movement, therefore? I thought trivial, I'm not so sure. I try to get information without much success. Although the sect declared in a parliamentary report, the SRCM is too small and not dangerous enough to worry and to mobilize government and associations. My friend who left the SRCM does not want to hear about it, she turned the page with difficulties and wants to move on. My colleague is trying to maintain a close relationship with his ex in order to preserve its relationships with its children become teenagers. It is a pattern that I get continuously thereafter to contact former members or relatives, no one can and no one wants to testify...
In contact with these people, however I eventually accumulated a certain amount of disturbing information about this movement. This is what I sought when I started to get information. The SRCM is so trivial through yoga and meditation, I have long believed, and yet the damage is undeniable. What to do? Then in 2000, I was thrown in the water, I gather the info that I collected in a folder that I associations to assist victims of cults. I created a website to try to provide information different from the version distributed by the SRCM, on the other side of the mirror.
In 2005, Chari skids. The SRCM seeking money multiplies the mistakes, errors in communication with its members. Break the shackles, languages are loosened and gradually move outraged followers of the Mission, create blogs to express dissent because they are not listened to. Parents also ... Our knowledge of the SRCM has considerably increased. Today, I present here the result of our trade, research and information. Other blogs express different sensitivities. Discussions focus on the blog of Elodie.
Everyone is free to make choices, but you should do when you are well informed.
Translated from french by Shashwat PandeyList of published divorces due to sahaj marg teaching :-
According to teachings of sahaj marg , Master Mission and Method is the most important aspect in life of those who practices sahaj marg system, in addition to this, unquestionable obedience to Mr. P. Rajagopalachari is mandatory. Such a method which gives prominence to Mission over family, Master over spouse, and Method over Social responsibility has led to numerous divorces and breakdown of families, till date.
Here is the admission of P. Rajagopalachari regarding failure of marriages in Sahaj Marg :-
increasingly marriages are getting troublesome. People get married here by the grace of my Guru, my Master, and they run into trouble. Some of them, fortunately only a few, the marriage is finished on the day of the marriage itself. So far we have had three cases. But it is a tragedy for me because, as Babuji said, even one drop of poison in a big vessel of milk means a big vessel full of poison. Here we don't judge spiritual progress by success, we judge it by failure. And in that sense our marriages have failed too often for my comfort. Though my boys tell me, "Only three, saab [sir]." Should not have been even one.
We have received information about various families being broken due to brainwashing practiced in sahaj marg, below are some of the known cases of divorces which were published either on blogs or in local newspapers
The parents are divorced and the mother, a member of a sect, has custody of the children. Faced with this scenario quite often, justice hesitates between the need to protect children and to safeguard the freedom of belief
"At first I did not worry. Meditate They came to the house as a group. Children were not affected. I even tried, but it was not my thing. I treat with a certain irony. " Michel Gilbert then shared ten years of the existence of Frances, dentist, with whom he had two children, ages 5 and 2 and a half years.
The couple is in financial difficulty: it has more work and decided to become a father at home. Increasingly, his partner engages in frequent meditation and a group called Shri Ram Chandra Mission, which is based in Madras, India.
Its members engage in meditation sahaj marginal, inspired by the rajah yoga, according to the teaching of a master appointed Shri Ram Chadraji Maharaj, said Babuji.
The latter requires an absolute devotion to its fans and wants to "educate the masses and spread among them the art and science of yoga." For seven months, Michel sees this growing influence. In December 1998, the report Vivien class Shri Ram Chandra among the sects. 2 000 people were members. The father is concerned. In January 1999, the group makes him feel that it is undesirable. At the end of February, Fran'se spoke of separation, made room apart. He realizes that it is preparing a trip to India for the anniversary of the master, and then she had an affair with another follower. On 29 June, Michel was hospitalized for an ulcer. It brings children in Spain. On August 15, Michel Gilbert attack the sect for child abduction. On Dec. 21, an order to entrust custody to the mother. Since then, he has been able to get to see them in a point-rencontre. He had no information about their address, their school. "When I see, my son is as off. I tried to get in touch with the sect in India: I had no response. "
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I married in 1968. My wife discovered yoga, it was interested in the boudhism and spirituality in general. All went marvelously well. we had 2 children, a girl and a boy. She started to contemplate that made just 30 years. I knew later that it was already Sahaj Marg. Enough quickly it spoke only about that. It stopped all these other activities. It spent its time with the other followers. It forgot our children who were very small. It tested of me entrainer with it. I am not especially attracted by their spirituality but I was interested in his Sahaj Marg. I read their books, I discussed with them. I even tested their meditation. I was with large a sitting with their large Chari guru. But that did not impassion me and I finished by very dropped. My wife was not content, it wanted that I make even more efforts. She reproached me for being materialist and not to have enough interest for the spiritual one… and then she went on a journey in India. She returned in anger against me. She had become tutor, i.e. whom she trained the new followers. She did not speak to me any more. She was unaware of me. Our life of couple did not exist any more! We ended up divorcing almost 10 years after its entry in this sect. Of course, it A had the guard of our 2 children who were almost banked-up beds at the time. They were very disturbed by our separation. They reproached me for having left. Today they are large. They have all the 2 joined the sect. It is their Chari guru who married them, with other followers obviously. And maintaining here that I am several times grandfather. My little children grow. Tomorrow they will be them also banked-up beds. And I do not want that they enter the sect. For this reason I reacted today after having been so a long time quiet. All his years spent, I put side my opinions to try to keep good relations with my children. It was not easy but I succeeded in not completely not cutting the bridges. Except that maintaining it is with the turn of my little children
Wife thought it would be a good thing to feed our two sons insecticide if I decided to leave her. She decided to take some herself so that she might avoid the consequences. She decided to use her money to purchase curses from black magicians so that I would be haunted in the death of my family, cursed to the end of my days. She did not succeed in her attempt to wipe out my family with mosqito poison, but I contemplate often about the curses and their impact on me and the boys.
After over a decade of trying to find spirituality, career success and marital bliss, I thought it would be a good idea to pursue happiness without her, by seeking financial freedom and young women as a single dad, rather than persist in a household full of hate, resentment and child abuse. My thinking was that I would be a better dad if I truly pursued my dreams, than to stay bound to a woman who hated me, and everything about me, yet would not let go as she relished controlling what she hated. My thinking was that with the money we were about to make, she could take half, and go find happiness - as she clearly wasn't happy with me. I thought wrong. Happiness was not her thing. Controlling her world was. She found satisfaction in owning what she hated, and she hated a lot
The story of Bernard P. Is almost identical. After his divorce, he noted in his two boys 8 and 9 years behavior strange, a desire to conceal that they did not have before. They admit him while their mother frequent Shri Ram Chandra, a telling portrait of the guru throne at home. The father was informed, worried. Children him announce later that they must participate in a seminar group at Castle Augerans near Dole, in August 1999. Bernard P. Appealed to the judge in family matters to get custody of her children, or at least to prevent mother to be taken to the sect. The judge granted a ban on leaving the country, but considers that there is no urgency to change custody.
"The legal system is sufficient," says Philippe Lefant, Bar Chambury, which specializes in such cases, if the child is in danger, that is in permanent contact with the sect. It is possible to request the revocation of parental authority of a spouse wrongdoing before the high court. Otherwise, we may ask that the child whose follower has custody is not involved in its religious affairs. You can also obtain referral to the judge in family matters to redirect their education. But it is a decision unsatisfactory because extremely difficult to control: one can hardly do so by a bailiff, and it is valid only if the person referred is not prevented. Otherwise, it is easy to conceal everything. Almost always, I ask the prohibition on leaving the country for children when the sect has a registered office abroad. And I get regularly. "
The problem lies more in the attitude of judges. "The actions of this type are confronted with the fundamental principle of freedom of belief," says Philippe Lefant. Often my exercise restraint that my clients do not understand, just to emphasize that the child rather than the ideological aspect of the problem. "Justice can intervene only if health, the safety, morals or the education of the child are compromised, "says the chairman of the juvenile court of Versailles.
That leaves room for many inconsistencies. Thus, in 1993, a father divorced had obtained the withdrawal of custody of her children to the mother because she attended the Jehovah's Witnesses. "The practice of a sect particularly pregnante can only have an impact on the behavior of young children and thwart their free will," the court felt.
By contrast, that same year, Aim Lafarge, in the same situation, was dismissed by the court in Narbonne on the grounds that this would "allow individuals acting alone qualify sect any minority group within a religion or" a philosophy. This would lead to totalitarianism threatening the freedom of conscience of a minority. "
Thanks for your comment... Since you don't know, you should not speak to that issue and stick to what you know...
We had lived together for 35 years and had forgiven one another all that time for our daily mistakes.
And we did all that for 35 years without being "Christians". Forgiveness was our strength. The LOVE was taken out of the relationship by Sahaj Marg so that "Forgiveness" was not possible anymore for the one caught in the CULT. That scheming was done by preceptors and other abhyasis and was not there before, and is not "by accident" but "by design". Read of others in Europe and in North America. We wanted to UNITE the world, not DIVIDE our families in the name of yet another RELIGION to a MALE GOD with OBEDIENCE as the LAW!!
To new abhyasis: Beware of "seminars" in other towns that become schemes and conspiracies to get the single abhyasis "together". Seminars are "match making events". Women with men, men with women... That is only one of the schemes that break up families. And watch your CHILDREN, the new target of SRCM(tm). These structures will attract all sorts of DEVIANTS and as other POWER structures, will create DEVIANTS!!
Then there is the MONEY!! SRCM targeted older women and "mental health" therapists (Psy's) at first and now is focussed on, and attracts the nationalist children of the wealthy who immigrate to our countries to attend university or to work, for fill their "organizational" positions and sucks more money out of our POOR families than those families can afford. Like all other "Pyramids" it attracts the gullible disempowered dreaming of, and wanting more POWER, and the "opportunists" who use the PYRAMID to increase their own POWER. Does the POWER TRICKLE DOWN as the theory claims? IT DIVIDES that is sure...inside and outside!!
IT AIN'T SPIRITUALITY but RELIGION and CULT..by their own criteria!!
To say that NOW, in our family, we have a "difference" is accurate, but that difference was created and cultivated by a NEW RELIGION or a Personality CULT of Businessmen that re-directs that LOVE that should remain in the family and among the members of that family. That LOVE was to go to "one another" and it was "STOLEN" as by a thief, and re-directed to the MASTER and the MISSION and the METHOD. There is a "METHOD" to this MADNESS that DIVIDES where ever it GOES...
Chari could before his death, encourage (or order) all his "DIVIDED" flock to UNITE with their FAMILIES!! But that would be SAINTLY and he ain't THAT!!
We have witnessed the same process in those families where one member (usually the woman) is ensnared in other religions or cults and the other partner (usually the man), does not "BELIEVE" in the "SCAM"...The Religion/Cult empowers and uses the FEMALE and divides the family. Look at the aboriginal population and Christianity. That population (the men) is now returning to their traditional "SPIRITUALITY" and still, the churches on the reserves are attended by a few old WOMEN. That Church still is in charge of the "many burials" that take place among the youth of our NATIVE communities.
IF gullible, naive or "disempowered" women did not "do the dirty work", or as Chari says and encourages in one of his books (to), "sell themselves" to those "RELIGIONS", they would not thrive.
Come on WOMEN, get up off your KNEES and support your families and your own SPIRITUALITY, not the RELIGIOUS and SPIRITUAL SCAMS of STRANGERS!!
WE are all tucked inside the ONE (God) where we LIVE!!
Chari, at his death, will have his "orgy" of EGO at his funeral...
Who will celebrate at the family funerals of the HUMBLE ONES HE DIVIDED? IS there not a KARMIC debt here? Will Sahaj Marg erase those SAMSKARAS... I think LIFE is JUST. That KARMA could be realized on VENUS, no doubt, which is where Chari thinks he is going after this LIFE!! Venus is a good place for those who are caught in an illusion. The Egyptians of 3 millenia ago would have gone to the SUN at least.
Babuji's stolen ring (with 9 planets arranged in 3 rows of 3) will not save him as without PLUTO, there are only 8 planets in our SOLAR system and that is the correct symetry. 4 planets of gas and 4 planets of crystal for an OCTAVE of consciousness so as to be free from the illusory attraction of our GALAXY and to go further than VENUS at the very least...
MAYBE BABUJI is wise after all...
4d-Don
Thierry is a SRCM apologist, by his own testimonial, he got divorced due to Sahaj Marg, was rejected by his own parents, siblings and his own son, only because of Sahaj Marg. Here i would like to explain that Sahaj Marg transmission is an addiction like any drug addiction such as alcohol, cocaine and alike, like people who are slave to these addiction are rejected by society similarly people addicted to Sahaj Marg transmission are also rejected by society Thierry is one such example, who has been rejected socially for being part of poisonous sahaj marg.
hello to all
I can make a comment to this exchange very instructive I practice the spiritual path proposed in Sahaj marg for past 20 years and I am very satisfied with my practice and as i understand srcm, I think understanding the problems we encounter is due to several fundamental differences.
I at the beginning of my practice encountered enormous difficulties freedom of worship for example in the Sahaj marginal even if it is not a prerequisite it is strongly recommended not to drink alcohol and become vegetarian when I was with my parents I was always in my assi'te a steak and a glass of wine served by my father telling me I quote "you're not a man you do not drink"
I had to fight for many years to make their choice admit that my life was different and until the death of my father, he always dismissed me if I resisted not cut me from my family c 's duty and love for them my sisters and brothers have also criticized several times and when I took the floor said that they were not coming with me as my stand was not tolerable.
It is well known that minorities are afraid because not reacting in certain situations and behaviors like most people the way we do may seem odd for example no longer take pleasure to drink alcohol "may surprise it is certain that early in my practice I have certainly been too expressive in outsourcing now I felt I'm more internalized and rarely does happiness and balance that prodigal meditation
I have been married 10 years with someone who has never practiced meditation fear of his family before my difference forced me to divorce with a son who is a supporter of the srcm but does not want is meditate his choice myself and having been mistreated because of my spiritual path I choose leaves without interfering with freedom of worship
I have been cohabiting with a woman who has practiced meditation with me for 2 years and then spent the remaining 5 years of life only to criticize me and my spiritual master I do not obliged her to follow me but I just asked my freedom of worship I also had to separate myself from it as pressure became unbearable for her as I do pleasure over the meat in my power not to appear too "bizarre" Meditation regulates the mind and life seems so beautiful that of course it may seem strange to be happy
I'm so so happy in my skin moments I saw it and so intense meditation through our practice of meditation is designed to make us change our evolution and allows us to discover a new perception of the world (indoor and outdoor ) I can do with this board ... let us meditate not criticize us in our practice not accept us as we accept we love each other with our differences do not want to impose on us your choice and if you want to force practitioners to become members made their message read this let us all our freedom of worship and not worship if people do not want meditate is their life choices and this must be respected
Meditation is so subtle that the accession of the person must be voluntary if it does not thank you for taking the time to read
thierry
